tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post6943219909297434892..comments2024-03-14T18:56:31.716-05:00Comments on Two Catholic Men and a Blog: FameJoehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13632007696351816323noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post-82320833964637090852013-11-07T14:03:17.911-06:002013-11-07T14:03:17.911-06:00It's certainly not a proof and should be viewe...It's certainly not a proof and should be viewed as extremely suspect as corroborative evidence and its fraught with subjective abuse. One could use desires inherent in the human condition to extrapolate to all sorts of metaphysical entities. And also what desires are inherent and what are cultural. WIth the growing number of atheists in Western society, who lack that desire, there's growing evidence that this is cultural rather than inherent.Rationalist1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14461900851608484538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post-51928936717112923512013-11-05T09:19:26.118-06:002013-11-05T09:19:26.118-06:00As to your comment on Truth, I very much agree!As to your comment on Truth, I very much agree!Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13632007696351816323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post-60605535344772714372013-11-05T09:18:21.462-06:002013-11-05T09:18:21.462-06:00R1,
A brief comment. The argument from desire i...R1, <br /><br />A brief comment. The argument from desire is not a proof in that it is not conclusive, but a piece of corroborative evidence.<br /><br />See <a href="http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/desire.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/desire.htm</a>Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13632007696351816323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post-42657602914015248062013-11-05T07:20:33.978-06:002013-11-05T07:20:33.978-06:00We mostly all desire goodness and truth but one m...We mostly all desire goodness and truth but one must pursue those with not with a desire to a predetermined outcome, but a desire to find the truth where ever that leads and as much as one can .<br /><br />“It is morally as bad not to care whether a thing is true or not, so long as it makes you feel good, as it is not to care how you got your money as long as you have got it.” Edwin Way Teale, Circle of the Seasons: The Journal of a Naturalist's Year<br /><br />Cheers.Rationalist1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14461900851608484538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post-91641272987529672542013-11-05T05:32:16.688-06:002013-11-05T05:32:16.688-06:00Based on your comments on our blog, it seems you s...Based on your comments on our blog, it seems you sincerely desire “goodness” and “truth”. In Catholic theology one could say this is the same as desiring God. You may be closer to The Kingdom than you think. Cheers!Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11953563578914140396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post-54219409324843928792013-11-04T13:06:14.925-06:002013-11-04T13:06:14.925-06:00I'm commenting because this is very suspect re...I'm commenting because this is very suspect reasoning. People desire many things, but that does not necessarily mean there is a reality behind the desire. <br /><br />Wanting there to be aliens in no way makes aliens a necessity. The proof from desire is not taken credibly at all (C.S. Lewis aside). While it might apply for real world situations like hunger, thirst, sleep, it doesn't necessarily follow for metaphysical questions. Indeed real world situations are more needs than desire. For example, I need food, I desire steak.<br /><br />Also the desire for God is not universal, it's cultural. I feel no desire for a deity and neither do most atheists. And for those who desire something greater than oneself, it can be filled in myriad ways other than the Christian God, aliens being one of them.<br /><br />On a personal level I desire that there is a solution to the Riemann Zeta hypothesis yet Godel's incompleteness theorem tells me that this may be a question that has no solution, however much I may desire it.Rationalist1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14461900851608484538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post-85679844767107511632013-11-04T08:53:32.241-06:002013-11-04T08:53:32.241-06:00Think of the underlying desires. People look (some...Think of the underlying desires. People look (sometimes desperately) to astrology and the planets because they desire a “destiny”. This implies the existence of a destiny, just like hunger implies the existence of food. People look (sometimes desperately) for aliens because they desire there to be something “greater than ourselves”. We desire not to be alone in the universe. This implies that there actually is something greater and we are not alone. The proof from desire is a type of proof or evidence. No one can force you accept it, but it is reasonable. I think it even follows a kind of evolutionary logic. If it did not exist, there is no sense in wasting resources hunting for it. Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11953563578914140396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post-52536761100192633402013-11-03T11:41:47.496-06:002013-11-03T11:41:47.496-06:00Hello Ben,
No, and I don't think you would wa...Hello Ben,<br /><br />No, and I don't think you would want to adopt that as a criterion for evaluating the truth of a position. One could say the fact that there are so many astrologers suggests that the planets may influence one's life. The fact that homeopathy is widespread suggests that impossibly dilute treatments have efficacy, the fact that so many people report alien abductions suggest it is really happening. None of those statements suggest anything of the sort, only that people need to work on their credulity.Rationalist1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14461900851608484538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post-15282455023355739542013-11-03T08:18:22.926-06:002013-11-03T08:18:22.926-06:00Hi R1,
Psychic powers…The underlying desire for th...Hi R1,<br />Psychic powers…The underlying desire for the supernatural suggests the existence of the supernatural.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11953563578914140396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8005473794963219887.post-84223264770646275242013-11-03T06:32:31.718-06:002013-11-03T06:32:31.718-06:00One could argue that the quest for immortality, ev...One could argue that the quest for immortality, even in memory, lead to to concept of heaven. We are self aware, and struggle with the idea that this self awareness will disappear after our short four score years. We have to accept it, live with it (so to speak) and make our goal to leave the world a better place than we found it and be satisfied with the hope that good memories of us will live on in the minds of the people we have known and helped.<br /><br />Side Note : "Even false religion points to the existence of true religion; consider how the existence of counterfeit money suggests the existence of real money, even if one had never seen real money"<br /><br />Do fake psychics suggest the existence of real psychics?Rationalist1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14461900851608484538noreply@blogger.com